SoulPancake

@hleake very much agreed, thought i have to say not everyone has it balanced

Guilt

you have more logic if you have faith-

Logic is more than a tool. Logic contradicts faith. Anything belief worth supporting are supported in logic. Faith in the unexplained is an alternative to logic.

@flashbanding Hahaha Loved your response. I'm glad you like O'Reily as much as I do.

@Edelheit - Faith is by definition the belief in what cannot be proven through logic. Great philosophers like Thomas Aquinas posed logic based arguments for the existence of a God, but they all tended to fall short.

Faith is illogical, it is what we hope for, not what we have proof of. Although ironically each religion is hoping for often completely different things... so it leaves you wondering...

Dear friend,

That is one definition. In the Baha'i Faith "faith" is defined by Abdul'Baha as "conscious knowledge" . It is true that logic by itself can not answer all the questionsasked in this world nor solve every problem presented.

Free.man

both need can be met.

I consider it an illogical position to hold that I know all things: or that my current understanding of things is actually the way things may prove to be in the fullness of time.

Logic is great. It is a powerful tool. The point of illogic for me is to hold that human logic in it's current form (personally or collectively) is an kind of "Almighty".

There are still so many things we don't know, we only think we know, things we cannot yet detect or once detected can get them to yield to our logic, things that are coloured by our baser motivations so that the "illogical" becomes the logical in our own minds.

So for me faith and logic stand side by side and not across a battlefield from one another. Each handles what it is best at. As we grow point of faith in our collective infancy (like it's God that keeps us from flying off the earth) become points of logic and understanding (gravity). But then faith finds other roles in the shifting relationship of these two things in relation to us.

My Bible tells me that some day I will know all things. My then-mature reason and logic will be able to see and grasp the reasons. All things will be fully known by me even as all things about me are fully known.
But until then, faith has a purpose. Perhaps it's roughly akin to the trust a child has in their parents to manage things beyond their understanding until such time as they can take up responsibility in these areas that previously baffled them because they were too immature for their logic to grasp them.

theatre (as well as the related arts) require a willing suspension of disbelief in order to make the magic work. Some people are more willing than others to suspend the disbelief. Same principle, different words, in my experience.

Faith is, as edelheit said above, illogical; as such of course it requires somewhat of a suspension of logic.

But this does not mean it defies logic. It's like going from chess to war. It would make sense to follow the rules: send the foot soldiers before them cavalry; but that doesn't mean a cavalry charge early isn't valid. Of course it does seem as though you should be juxtaposing the principles, but it is oft because you don't that you have the greatest sucess. Moreover, until the point where faith is required - assuming faith picks up where reality leaves off, (in the hope the prior reattaches to the latter) - logic can and should be used.

Logic dictates: see then believe; faith dictates: believe then see. It is not logical, it doesn't mean it is invalid. Much in the same way that checkers is not invalid because of chess: they are different, some people find one or the other more difficult or appealing, but in reality they aren't any better - in fact ideally one must master, or at least become adept, at both.