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Where does good science end and bad science begin?

Discussing the benefits of being a vegetarian I was discussing the harmful effects that eating mass produced (not free range, or organic etc..) chicken has on the human body including the mass majority of people's waist lines and young girls bra sizes...I made the statement that hormone laden, chemically covered, falsely fattened chickens are not the way God intended us to eat. I was countered with a very hard statement "well, open heart surgery was not in God's plan either." Woah, hold your horses. But, my friend had a point. Is open heart surgery in God's plan? I think so. That is good science in my opinion. Is food that does not resemble the original creation that humans were intended to eat part of God's plan? Maybe, but I think that its up to us to make the decision wether to eat it or not. So, what do you think? Where does the line end? is there a line between good science and bad science and where does it fit in God's goodness and love for his creation?

flashbanding

for the Jesus inclined

8.4% of his disciples betrayed him...

but science is not the problem - human beings twisting of research data is a biggie...

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1more

@applegrass Back in my college years (just after the change over from abacus to slide rule) my numerical analysis prof had a similar disdain for statistics, and took delight in demonstrating vastly differing conclusions from the same sampling. That man could make an hour and a half seem like days.

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Griz

@1more
"I agree. As to good and bad science, though, I think science is science. The good and the bad come from the applications of it."

Agreed. Science is "neutral", just like any tool like a hammer or chainsaw.
It is how people choose to apply the tool that moves it into the realms of "good" and "bad".

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applegrass

I donno about the rest of your question, but good science begins, and ends, always with who is interpreting the data. One of the quotes I love that my papa oft utilised:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
So. Freaking. True.

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believeingosh

science does not care about gods plan, obviously thats why its science. its rational facts versus faith and story books.
now i agree that alot of things scientists are doing are a waste of time. for example injecting our foods with hormones , boner pills, hair regrowth treatments, making older women able to give birth. etc. where are we with a cure for cancer and aids? those things should be the number one priority. everything else should wait.
it seems like alot of science is done nowadays because it CAN be done not SHOULD be done.

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FailuresArt

Unicorns gave us science so we could be happy. What is a god?

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1more

@Griz "The purpose of science is to learn about the physical world around us -- to answer questions. That is the purity of it."

I agree. As to good and bad science, though, I think science is science. The good and the bad come from the applications of it.

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erinbrown5

Although I am a scientific thinker, I do think there is a possiblity for bad science. What happens when the scientists who, in search for the greater good start cloning? What about being able to genetically alter your unborn children? Do we become monsters by "deleting" the children that often make our lives so rich? Science has the ability to get way out of control, and thus, I believe that it should be closley watched.

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ladybubblepop

God gave us ideas so that we were able to create...
I love science and do not believe in BAD science.
Man manipulates things that should be used in a good way.
I think that everything that was created by man, was given to man by God,
now its in our hands what to do with it.

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flashbanding

I wouldn't bring God into it - only confuses the issue as framed...

good science is where evidence is properly marshaled, presented, peer reviewed preferably, tested, tested again - and eventually used to guide how we shape our actions and development.

bad science is when facts are ignored, research is undertaken with inherent bias, results are twisted or falsified

as in how drug companies behave much of the time...

the idea of "Bad science" being anything to do with whether heart surgery is a good or a ad idea - that is morality - nothing to do with science - scientists may have made it possible with their research
but that is the difference, morality is human judgement calls, science is neutral

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