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@RedMeness I'm not talking about the liberal-arts-bubble-reality you are insulated in. I'm talking about this place called "reality."

This is NOT a patriarchal society no matter what your college professor tells you, so you can put your garden shears away. No need to castrate anyone any longer.

Society does not do it us. We are society. If we were to make mindful choices about what we wear we could stop all this drivel and avoid teaching our children to act like whores. Here is a real life example. In Dubai, a choreographer I know worked as an ex-pat as most people do in Dubai. She is a typical dancer walking around in as little as possible at all times , especially in that HOT climate. One day she accidentally walked into a section of town where a large majority of ex-pat day workers live. They are from dozens of middle and eastern countries who are unaccustomed to seeing women walk around dressed in short shorts and halter top. She was raped. She escaped - the man was taken to trial and given life. She interfered in the court proceedings and dropped the charges because she felt she was wrong for wearing what she was wearing and being in the wrong place. The courts were truly shocked but the man was allowed to return to his family.

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Matrilinear

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Patriarchy

more to do more research tomnewton???....lol



http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=matrilineal%2C+customs+vs.+patriarchal (just cut & paste)

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http://matriarchy.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9&Itemid=30

During the change from matriarchies to men ruled systems (starting circa 2000 BC) for many centuries, patriarchal marriages in Egypt existed side by side with old-style matriarchal unions...

The most significant revolution in Greece was the transition from matrilineal to patrilineal succession and the resulting destruction of clan loyalties. Matrilineal inheritance was the rule among British and the other Old European tribes until coming of Christianity. The English "heir" came from heres, cognate with the Greek word for a female landowner, here or "Hera." (The Magna Carta referred to a here as person of either sex. Later church laws listed heres as exclusively male.)Matrimony came to be synonymous with marriage only because marriage was a way for men to gain control of property.Male scholars have been reluctant to describe ancient systems of matrilineal inheritance. After translation of early Babylonian texts, W. Boscawen wrote,

"The freedom granted to women in Babylonia allowed them to hold and manage their own estates.... The implication was that women held their property only through men's lenience, which was not the case. Women held property by the ironclad law of mother-right, and a Babylonian wife had the same title as a matriarch in India, grhadevata, "House-Goddess." European governments and missions in Africa loosed a torrent of propaganda against matrilineal customs among the natives. In most African nations, European land reforms consisted of taking land away from the women and allocating it to their husbands. This tended to make the women paupers and destroy their self-respect, as the tribes looked down on a woman who couldn't support her children. As a result up to today tens of thousands of people, especially children, starve in the so called 3rd World Countries every year.

Patriarchal religious authorities everywhere changed ancient systems of matrilineal inheritance to put property in the hands of men. Medieval Christian kings commonly endowed their barons with the phrase, "Take that woman and her fief." The early centuries of the Christian conquest of Europe were largely occupied with acquisition lands from the pagan women.The aim of European Christianity was acquisition of property, which meant overturning pagan systems of matrilineal inheritance. By forcible seizure and warfare, the church managed to acquire fully a third of all the landed property on the continent by the early Middle Ages.

Until the 10th century, priests married to gain property, claiming that without their wives they succumb to "hunger and nakedness." Church laws revised the system; then a series of papal decretals between 1031 and 1051 ordered priests to abandon their wives and sell their children into slavery. Naturally, the property and monies thus acquired by a priest revert to the church upon his death, since he no longer had legal heirs.

The legal/ecclesiastical war on female property ownership went on century after century, until women were so hamstrung by the laws of patriarchal God and man that they had almost nothing left that they could call their own.
By the end of the 19th century, English wives could not administer their own property even if they had any, nor make a will disposing of it, without their husbands' consent.
As late as 1930 in France and 1950 in Germany a woman was forbidden to do any business with a bank, not make small deposits, without her husband's permission.

Up to the present time, lack of control over money and property is still the greatest obstacle for women who wish to bring up their children respectably or take them and leave abusive or violent husbands. In this respect the centuries of patriarchal effort achieved their goal.


The matrilocal marriage tradition,and matrilineal ownership of the home place were customary among the Algonquin, Sioux, Seneca, Pawnee, Seminole, Kiowa, and Cree tribes.

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In her social history of the Jesuit mission among the Huron and Montagnais she argues that it was the women who were the main focus of Jesuit missionary zeal, which sought to uproot native, matrilineal, customs in favour of French, patriarchal, ideology.


as I said: Mind you Feminism is a whole different gig.

@maebyfunke I see what you're saying now. BUT I suppose the question then is, when is a woman objectifying herself? The response to that is so subjective. What I consider to be exploitative of a woman's features, another might find liberating. It's difficult, but I believe it comes back to intention--for instance, when I wear a "sexy" dress, why am I doing it? AND, because I do wear it, does that mean I'm contributing to the objectification of women? I'd say a firm no if my reasoning is sound. But others might disagree. And it's difficult, because of the way that we have been socialized, to really be able to find the true answer to all of this. Oi!

@Landree I guess that came out wrong. I wasn't trying to be offensive, I was trying to say that when women objectify themselves, aren't they lowering themselves to a certain extent? And that's not entirely their fault, it's a multitude of outside forces. Of course they should be treated like equals, but the kind of society we live in just doesn't guarantee that.

Also, "Interesting that women dressing provocatively earn inequality, yet men exerting sexuality are just being men, or at the very least, even if they bring criticism upon themselves, they're not viewed as the lesser of the two sexes."... I agree with your point here, and that's a problem attributed, again, to society rather than women themselves.

@RedMeness How can you say that this society is patriarchal? The men of this nation have been castrated and impugned to no end. The women call the shots--all of them.

You want to see patriarchy? Think Islam.

The women of this nation are stinking drunk on power which is why they choose to act like total sluts and dominatrixes whenever and wherever they can get away with it. The only masculine archetypes which are safe from wholesale ridicule are the waxed and tanned caricatures we see in pro-wresting.

If men controlled anything, they would have equal say on abortion rights--yet our opinions are stifled. We wouldn't be unfairly and Unconstitutionally maligned with Temporary Restraining Orders.

Woman today are chauvinist-pigs.


Tom

A great amount of emphasis has been placed on youth & physical beauty. As Chris Rock remarked" If regular women are wearing peeler pumps, skanky get-ups & using stripper bars -what are the paid whores going to do to attract their johns...lol.

Also a good portion of the North American continent's children have unlimited access to the Internet & 500 channels on T.V without adult supervision, & continue to dress in clothing that show their backsides & emphasis their slim hips & wear jeans with words on their asses, men will still look at them & think.. (BTW- it shows in your eyes- the "wolfish" thoughts)

I think it is another facet of the 50's society where mothers were programmed to be jealous of their daughter - a la Lolita- except maybe now the mothers have figured " if you can't beat em' might as well as join them".

Also I think some emphasis should be paid to "womenhood teachings" to explain womens' "sexual energy" & it's power -sadly perhaps the greater society has lost those teaching due to it's patriarchal society.

Mind you Feminism is a whole different gig.

Rix Rogers :Reaching For Solutions (The Summary)

One of the most disturbing discoveries for me has to do with the impact of underlying social attitudes and values related to male and female sexuality. More than I ever realized, these tend to condition males to be sexual predators and females to be sexual victims. Our patriarchal society has set the conditions for sexual assaults and harassment, including the sexual abuse of children. I am increasingly uncomfortable with the realization that such behaviour has for too long been tolerated in our society. In my opinion, one of the most significant tasks ahead of us is to make major changes in the underlying deeply rooted attitudes of sexism.

The sexualization of children in advertising, the presence of child pornography and the reinforcement of the macho male model is not helping us to develop a more nurturing society, where vulnerable members are respected and protected.------------------------------

Above statement from the Special Advisor to the PM of Canada on SEXUAL ABUSE.

I remember when "AIDS" was breaking news... I remember remarking to cohorts- " In the future we parents will have the educate our children about Human Sexuality & sexuality itself will become more pronounced in society because now it's not just disease & pregnancy but death. This has come to pass now..

I know that by grade two - if a child has older siblings or unmonitored access to the computer & 500 channels on T.V. - they know enough about the world, sex & relationships to take your breathe away...